The same psychological engine that derives the spiritual feelings in people is used by cuckolds and cuckqueans to find sexual pleasure in their partner’s extra-marital trysts.
Cuckold and Cuckquean
Cuckold is a man whose wife/partner sleeps around. In 21st Century, cuckold is a man whose wife/partner sleeps around and he derives erotic pleasure out of it.
Cuckquean is the female equivalent of 21st Century cuckold: She lets her husband/partner sleep around and derives erotic pleasure out of it.
Maya, my wife, is a self-proclaimed cuckquean. Another male friend of mine, whose wife I love to fuck, is a self proclaimed cuckold. I never took their preferences seriously till a few months ago. Few months ago, I starting looking for better understanding into this fast growing lifestyle choice.
Lowest Common Denominator
There is no psychological theory on what drives the cuckolds or a cuckqueans. The popular notion is that an internal sense of inadequacy drives a person to turn into a cuckold or a cuckquean. Another popular belief is that cuckolds and cuckqueans eroticize humiliation. While some cucks share this trait, this is not true for everyone.
Take my own backyard: Maya is gorgeous (easily a 10 in her age group), very well educated (has degrees in engineering and management) and has a fabulous job (some sort of CXO). She is constantly hit-on by handsome well-accomplished guys. My cuckold male friend I talked about earlier is better endowed than I am, has several liaisons outside his marriage and has a much better social standing than me. Self-inadequacy or erotic-humiliation not at all explains why these two people are cucks. Though, it is possible that they may have felt sexually inadequate somewhere in the distant past, I am not aware of any such history. But then again, which teenager haven’t had that feeling of inadequacy when they set out to explore their sexuality! Similarly, there is always the possibility that they will learn to eroticize humiliation sometime in the future; but anyone can do that, even when they are not in cucking life style.
Disgust with body fluids
Somewhere in the 70’s I think, a simple experiment was done to demonstrate an interesting source of disgust. It goes like this: Take a glass of water. Spit into it. How comfortable are you drinking it? If you are like the rest of us, you are going to show some level of discomfort at the very least. Isn’t that illogical? After all, you do swallow your spit every few seconds. Same goes for the finger nail you clipped or the hair that you just cut/removed.
This experiment shows that we are programmed to feel disgust towards something that just detached from our body.
Then, isn’t it interesting that we don’t mind swapping spit (and more) with someone we are attracted to and feel a least bit disgusted about it? Is it possible that when we are attracted or attached to someone, our sense of self merges with them and their spit is just the same as our spit? I think so.
Spirituality is merging self with a group
At times, people tend to lose their sense of self and merge it with a group that they belong to. This wonderful TED video talk more about it. It happens to soldiers in the war front, members of a protest, someone who is part of a religious group, etc. (if you are one of those people who think that spiritual feelings can’t felt by non-religious person or in non-religions settings, or can’t be used with evil intentions, then you must watch the linked TED video before proceeding further).
When people merge their self into a group (or into something bigger than themselves, like God), they put the interest of the group above their own self interest. A separate field of evolution called Group Selection deals with this trait in organisms, including humans.
Cuck and Spiritual Sex
I think when an individual is deeply connected with another one, like a cuck is, the same engine of group selection acts on him/her. He/she loses his/her self and identify himself/herself with the group.
When a cuckold (male) is deeply/spiritually connected with his wife/partner, he merges his sense of self with her. Her pleasure becomes his. In fact, her pleasure becomes ever more important to him than his, the same way his comrades’ survival becomes more important for a soldier than his own survival. The more she is able to immerse herself into deriving her own sexual pleasure, the more turned on the cuckold becomes.
Cuckqueans (female) seem to act slightly differently. While she is immersed in the spiritual connection with her man, she also seem to be connected with the other woman! I would even go out an a limb and speculate that for a cuckquean, the pleasure derived by the other woman is more important than the pleasure derived by her man!
One simple explanation to account for this difference is that we see men as providers of pleasure and women as receivers. It might be because of the social training, but I think otherwise. I think the idea of a male being a provider and a woman being a receiver stems from the physical act of sexual intercourse and how it is performed: Males does the thrusting while the woman actively assists him.
What can destroy a cuck’s relationship
Anything that destroys this state of deep spiritual connection would interfere with the cuck’s ability to derive sexual pleasure from the second party sexual encounters. For a cuckold, losing his connection with his wife would kill the lifestyle. For a cuckquean, not developing a connection with the other woman or losing her connection with her husband/partner would make the lifestyle meaningless.
It is already well known in the cuck community that insecurity of the cuck destroys the relationship. There are other things too. If a cuckold’s wife/partner (cuckoldress) develops a ‘strong’ connect with her sexual partner (bull), that could diminish the spiritual connection felt by the cuckold with his wife/partner. Of course, a cuckoldress must have some connect at the very least with her bull and it increases the intensity of her enjoyment. However, if the cuckoldress-bull connection becomes stronger than the cuckoldress-cuckold connection, it would mean trouble.
If the cuck’s partner cuts them out of the erotic dalliances (often, a cuck doesn’t have to be physically present to vitness their partner fornicating; they might get their fill just from their partner recounting the incident after it happened), that will diminish the returns for the cuck (it could also increase the insecurity for the cuck). Since being a cuck carries huge emotional cost, unless the rewards are equally huge, it is not a sustaining lifestyle arrangement.
If the cuck’s partner doesn’t derive sexual pleasure out of the extra-marital encounters, that could bring the lifestyle to stop. Because a cuck’s motive is often misunderstood (as a perversion, or as stemming from a sense of inadequacy), the partner might become disgusted with the cuck and decide to break the relationship.
Of course, as the relationship between the cuck and their partner matures, it becomes more robust and take much more deviations.
What can improve a cuck-couple’s life
Top priority for a cuckold’s is how much sexual pleasure a cuckoldress derives from her extra-marital sexual relationships. Top priority for a cuckquean’s is how much pleasure the other woman derives ‘and’ how much pleasure the other woman derives from the encounters. More sexual pleasure, the better for everyone involved in the relationship.
A cuck’s partner (and the other woman) should also let the cuck know as to how much pleasure they have received from their extra-marital encounters. Not sharing would rob the cuck of getting the pleasure for which they went into all the trouble.
Increasing the deep spiritual connection between the cuck and their partner, at least in the narrow context of sexual relationship, is also very important for improving the quality of cuck-couple’s relationship. The famous eye contact between the cuckold and his cuckoldress (while the cuckoldress is being laid by her bull), I think, is all about maintaining and building this deep contact. That’s why every cuckold finds the eye contact intoxicatingly intense.
In summary
Sex in itself is a spiritual act where one lets their sense of self to merge into another (try imagining French kissing someone that you are not sexually attracted to). A cuckold and a cuckquean take this spirituality to farther extent.
When I realize it, my respect for them (my wife Maya and my male friend) increases multi-fold. I can’t help thinking realizing that by being my cuckquean, Maya has given me the most precious gift any lover can hope for: An unquestioned merging her self into mine. I feel even more worried now that I would do something stupid and hurt her!
I think, to get more out of any cuckquean-partner-other woman relationship
- The trio should do things that help the cuckquean to merge her sense of self deeper into her husband/partner and the other woman
- The husband/partner should find ways to provide ever increasing intensities of sexual pleasure to the other women and figures ways to include his cuckquean into the act (even indirectly)
- The other woman should ensure that receive intensities of sexual pleasure from this relationship (as her favor/responsibility to the couple) and figure ways to share it with the cuckquean.
To get more out of a cuckold-cuckoldress relationship
- The couple does things that help the cuckold to merge his sense of self deeper into his cuckoldress.
- The cuckoldress finds ways to receive ever higher intensities of pleasure from her extra-marital sexual relationship and figure a way to include her cuckold into it (often indirectly)
A note to a cuck’s partner: For fuck’s sake, don’t do something stupid (like hiding your trysts from the cuck) that would reduce a cuck’s trust in you. Trust is an essential ingredient of spiritual merging,
Sounds simple, isn’t it :-)
Edit
- I tried to graphically depict a typical cuckold-cuckoldress-bull relationship here: https://dexmaya.wordpress.com/2013/03/29/cuckold-graph/
- In this post, I attempted to symbolically depict the cuckquean’s relationship dynamics: https://dexmaya.wordpress.com/2013/03/29/cuckquean-graph/
- Another blog post on psychology of a cuckold: http://split-sexuality.tumblr.com/post/40549911526/on-the-definition-and-the-motive-forces-of-cuckolding
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Interesting perspective, I do believe there is another form of cuckolding / cuckqueaning that is not built around the traditional form. Instead I believe any open relationship where one partner remains monogamous while the other has sex outside of the relationship with their partner’s knowledge and consent can fall under cuckolding.
You have made a very valid point TI. Your definition of cuckold is certainly drawn from the traditional view and hence more pure. However, it looks to me that the ‘cuckold as a fetish lifestyle’ always involves the cuck eroticizing their partners sexual encounters with other people. Am I erring?
I totally agree with you. I am in a cuckold relationship and my wife’s sexual encounters are very exciting to me…
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Dex,
I started writing a reply here, but I realized that it would be just as long as, if not longer than, your blog entry and didn’t want to take away from your valuable input. Instead, I’ve place my reply on my blog, should you care to visit: http://multifacetedmoi.wordpress.com/2012/12/27/cuckolding-a-non-fetishists-perspective/.
Oh, thanks. I am flattered (even if your response didn’t agree with me). Will visit your blog ASAP :)
I look forward to hearing your feedback. :) I’ll definitely visit yours again. I love reading other perspectives!
Alot of scenarios of cuckolding and cuckqueaning are not discussed..the cuckoldtress who cuckolds their spouse and sleeps with women, and the male version of a cuckold tress who cuckqueans a female spouse with men….I once being the latter
You are right. It hadn’t even crossed my mind! As a matter of fact, it doesn’t even feel like it’s cuckolding.
Would you care to share some insights? How does it feel to be part of the triangle you are talking about? Your answer will go a long way in better understanding this complex situation.
Really interesting and thoughtful threads here. Though we’d never (previously at least) describe our own relationship as a cuckolding one, there are certain elements in a lot of the points mentioned here that we can both relate to. Look forward to returning for more insights and comments.
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This is a very well written piece. For me it is the same, I am a well endowed intelligent guy who is populair with the ladies. However, nothing turns me on than fantasizing of my girlfriend getting the most pleasure she can anyway possible. It is indeed super important for me to know that she enjoys it. With my previous girlfriends I never had this fantasy and this was probably because I was not even remotely connected to them as I feel towards my girlfriend. However I am also not turned on by the humiliation aspect as I don’t feel inadequate. For me it is solely the pleasure she gets from it. I do think however that some things are best left a fantasy.
Thanks Newb! I can’t over-state how much your words sound true in my world.
I have seen men, particularly the ones who are in a marriage with lots of love, going putty when they see their women being treated well by her lover. One of them is better endowed than I. Another one is much better than I in bed (bigger, lasts longer, built stronger). The idea that “sense of inadequacy begets cuckoldry” is a complete bullshit. “Sense of inadequacy” might be a catalyst, though. But the necessary condition in all cuckolding relationship, as I had seen, is the cuckold’s (or cuckquean’s) ability to merge themselves into their spouse!
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I rarely intend to reblog, but this is such a powerful commentary on the cuckold lifestyle that I just had to share. Will be posting my own thoughts about it later today.
Thanks anonymouscouple! I am seriously flattered!!
Never heard of this fetish until today when I started searching the internet for an answer to a recent situation…..My husband and I sometimes masturbate while watching porn. Recently I experienced a different reaction when I could tell he was masturbating like he was having sex with the woman. I realized I was turned on by seeing him having sex with this woman in his head. At the same time I was angry with him for “having sex” with one else. I don’t understand why it was arousing and hurtful at the same time. Is that part of this fetish?….to feel “replaced” and hurt?
Louise, I believe that the arousal and hurt happen in different parts of the brain at the same time, though I don’t have any scientific proof to this at this point in time. The arousal happened, I think, because one part of you felt one with your husband. And the hurt happened because another part of you possibly felt slighted.
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An excellent article on the deeper spiritual aspects of cuckolding
Dex, your perspective on the cuckold fits me perfectly. I bonded/connected with my wife in the first month after we meet. I was never motivated by humiliation, voyeurism or inadequacy. I now understand how her having sex with another man would give her pleasure and how I would have derived pleasure from her pleasure. But I would have to have been included in the whole relationship.
The thoughts of watching her dress for a date, then driving her to the other mans home and dropping her off for an overnight or even a weekend stay. Then meeting then for lunch to pick her up and hearing about what happened, are most exciting.
While we never practiced cuckold, when we were in our thirties I came close to broaching the possibility to an acquaintance. He got married, so I dropped the idea and I never looked for another man. I was very selective, the other man had to be just right. Also I was held back by the fear my wife would leave for the other man if she found him to be more desirable. The trust to make a cuckold relationship work was not there. However my wife has had affairs and did not leave me.
I have also experienced sperm competition. One night after she came home from a night out with the girls I could smell smoke in her hair, Neither she nor any of her girlfriends were smokers. I was already in bed when she got home. When she got in bed and I smelled the smoke I made love to her with a passion and ferocity that surprised both of us. She asked what got into me, I asked about the smoke in hair, she said ” you think I have been with another man that’s explained it” and no more was said.
I can attest to exclusion being a relationship killer. The times my wife has excluded me from events or happenings in her life were most painful, even when another man was involved, it would have been better to have been involved and treated like an outsider.
I am now 60 and although I still love her and will spend the rest of my life with her, my feelings toward her and cuckold have waned.
Thanks Art! You explained it so beautifully.
I do agree that “sperm competition” does exist. Like you have rightly point out, cuckoldry happens because of his sense of oneness with his wife/partner. Though, sperm competition adds some spice.
I strongly believe that the main stream idea of cuckoldry as a product of sperm competition is deeply flawed.
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As a person who has studied world religions it always pains me to see how people misuse the word spirituality.
Losing one’s self in the group doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re dealing with something which is spiritual. You might as well be drawn into a dark vortex of manipulation, as was the case with nazism, other “totalitarianisms”, and various religious cults.
Your reasoning according to me is extremely flawed and just seems like a bunch of New Age psycho babble mixed with a wrong understanding of spirituality.
Connecting the term spirituality with religions is not the only way. If spirituality is taken as the advancement of our own spirit (soul) and its connection to other spirits (souls) them all types of experience can add to our ability to understand our thoughts and actions or connections with others and hence our spiritual development Belief in any dogma can stop certain actions and therefore actually hold back the development of our spirit.
Liz, how do you explain spirituality without invoking God or religion?
Or, do agnostics and atheists ever feel the same feelings/emotions as a believer feels when they kneeled in front of their God or lost to the rest of the world?
If your answer to the second question is “No” (my guess), then you completely missed the point.
If you answered “Yes” to the second question, but still have trouble answering the first question, you can perhaps start by visiting this TED talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_humanity_s_stairway_to_self_transcendence.html (I had linked this already in the post, but I’m willing to take a bet that you hadn’t watched it)
The trouble with the religious types like yourself, I speculate, is that they can’t handle abstractions or hypothetical very well. I don’t think that religions have anything to do with it. I think the people who have difficulty in processing the hypothetical or the abstract end up stuck with religions and their teachings. I know it is a sweeping and arrogant statement. But I am totally frustrated by hare brained world view that religious thinkers often insist that the world anchors itself to! Please do your home world, read some serious neuroscience, before commenting on such level of abstraction that this blog post deals with.
While we are at it, you might like this TED talk too, though it has nothing to do with cuckoldry or religious thinking: http://www.ted.com/talks/james_flynn_why_our_iq_levels_are_higher_than_our_grandparents.html
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Dex
I have searched the internet for the psychology of a cuckold and none talk about the empathy or compersion rewards of a cuckold relationship.
They explain cuckold relationships as the results of a childhood trauma, voyeurism, inadequacy or what ever other demeaning reason they can come up with.
While I would agree that there can be several motivations for a cuckold relationship, yours best fits me an my feelings to my wife. I do not understand how no other web sites mention empathy or compersion.
Art
Thanks Art. I even tried taking up this with some academic who is researching this subject and got politely pushed turned down :)
If you can share this article with other interested people, over time, the mindless demeaning of cuckold might come down just a little bit.
In my mind, modern cuckoldry is a beautiful thing born out of someone’s sheer love for his wife. How people have totally missed the ball on this one surprises me endless!
Dex
In your experience and communications with people in a successful cuckold relationship, does the idea for the lifestyle originate with the husband or wife?
Art
Usually the idea and encouragement comes from the cuckold or the cuckquean. Though, people being people, nothing comes standardized.
Dex let me help you in this:
1st academics are deep involved in one stuff, not polihistors, so their knowledge is deep, but narrow and not wide, its like a radar with search or track mode, the first shows more info, the latter deeper info. Btw. thats a general problem of the world we live in today (sorry for a bit off topic). And academics do not like autodidacts, and thats the problem here. (I know this, but its in nuclear stuff… now the academic(s) asking me, how the hell I got this result… and my answer is simple: try to see the forest and not just the tree in front of you.)
2nd academics do not like if the well mummified theory is falling apart, so don’t touch :) their mummified theories, for them it is no problem, that real life is out there. As long as a husband pays a lot of money to here from the doc he is perverted and there must be something in his childhood, the world is shining… if you say hubby you are complitely okey and maybe better, than those who are like you but do not even know that they are cuckolds or ignore it… well we can ignore a flood… not even God is stopping a flood, the water will find its way underground or elsewhere.
3rd sexology (and many other sciences) are mummys, leaded by mummys. Sorry, do not want to hurt anybody, but an academic aged 80-90 shouldn’t say anything about sex, to take it a bit easy and funny. But to be honest take just a look on how we deal with schizophrenia… whilest it seems kinda sure since few years, that it is caused by a parazite ( toxoplasma gondii ), from which 25% of USA population and 50% of Germans are infected (by cats, original host: mouse, target: cats, but the parazite infects humans… and it only depends in which part of the brain the parazite ends up). If requested I send a link.
4th the current social-economical system… well doesn’t like intact families and marriages, far more divorce after divorce… simple marketing, more consumption more profit, divorced husband goes to doc and pays for his bullshit theories of beeing sic in mind to wanna be…
(off topic: my other profession is marketing and could explain who this wonderful philosofy and tools is ruining our society, no not conspiracy, just a random side-effect, which went self propelled).
Summa summarum: again I belive and think Dex blog is the best ever in this topic and general in sexology, because cuckolding isn’t rare, its hidden in much more people (males mostly), than anyone surmises.
Again THANK YOU!
Thanks for your kind words Anbesa.
//hubby you are complitely okey and maybe better//
Every time I see a cuckold caption picture about husband’s inadequacy, it tears my heart out. When I hear hotwives complaining about how the husband was using them as a sex object, I could hear myself scream inside “woman, how dumb can you be”. But cuckoldry, I guess, is too complex a phenomenon for the average Joe or Jill to comprehend, I guess!
//cuckolding isn’t rare, its hidden in much more people (males mostly), than anyone surmises//
I once wrote in an internet forum that “everyone is a potential cuckold, like everyone is a potential murderer; you just need the right situation to bring it out”. You are absolutely right about it. But my view of sex difference on cuckoldry might differ from yours. I think women are natural cuckqueans. I think women are much more comfortable in sharing their partner than men are. Where insecurity of sharing is removed, high level of sexual excitement automatically yields cuckoldry.
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hey there. really interesting and logical perspective of this matter a question for you though. would you let your wife make you a cuckold? and for cuckoldress who gets more pleasure than their cucks, or in other words, possibly being”attached” to the third party, that’d be pretty screwed up wont it? Would you agree that cuckoldresses cuckold their hubby to make them feel jealous and in turn, make the hubby appreciate her and put in more effort to please her?what do you think?
I’m too narrow minded, or insecure, to become a cuckold. I think.
A mutually trusting, and well adjusted, relationship is the fertile soil on which a cuckolding relationship flourishes. Some couples do not have this level of mutual trust when then get into a cuckolding relationship. With time, they either evolve a trusting relationship and dial up the cuckoldry. Or dither and stop.
Cuckolding is too emotionally intense an activity to be sustained in a relationship in which the couple compete with each other. Unless, of course, if they have learned to eroticize mutual competition. I don’t see very many couple being able to do that.
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Hi Dex and Maya… well I took a rest, drunk a coffee, but even now, after a while I do not know, how to start… so I’ll simple try to: that is simple the best ever written and professional sexology stuff on the topic cuckoldry, that should be in each mummified sexology-sexual psychology book with what the “science” is now raping and misleading anyone, who reads them. Nobel prize for this, and that’s not a joke.
Absolutely perfect, total logical and pragmatic thinking, describing… simple WOW.
I studied sexology and sexual psychology… and that science is light years away of reality and that distance is getting larger year by year.
I am total amazed, not only because I’m interested in this because I studied it and now I understand it much more, than ever before… than also, because I understand people around me and myself better now.
THANK YOU! Respect!
Greatings from Europe!
Wow! I’m a bit embarrassed now!! But thanks. A million thanks :)
Dex,
How can one rid of it? I hate the fact that have this fantasy and i want to get out of it? I dont even like it.
Well, if you lose the emotional connect with your partner, you will certainly stop having this fantasy. Short of that, look into some NLP techniques for deaddiction. Some of them might work, though I have no real life experience in using them for stopping this fantasy.
But here is the important question: Why would you like to get rid of it? Why not embrace it?
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Hi dex. I’m not trying to flatter you. But I was not a cuck before but after reading your analysis. Im now one of you. At Hindsight at how I’m not self discovered. It’s because of my selfish nature and unwilling to merge with any lovers. Seriously your explanations are the only one I read that make sense. Indians are undoubtedly smart. Thanks for sharing.
Jonny, that is a remarkably generous pat on the shoulder! Sincere thanks.
I disagree with your explanation of the pleasure that a cuckquean gets. Im a female and I get pleasure fantasizing about my husband recieving the most pleasure he can and being satisfied rather than the other woman. Thinking that my husband would try more to satisfy another woman makes me angry and jealous, but thinking that the other girl is the only one trying to satisfy him puts me at ease. By reading your explanation for why the cuckqean gets pleasure made me think that possibly Maya is bisexual and enjoys seeing a female in a sexual encontueer and as a bisexual feels less threat that her partner would leave for the other girl just because she could do the same. This is just a observation and i could be wrong. Can you tell me your reasons for why you think a cuckquean gets pleasure from seeing the other woman get pleasure? Is this theory only based on Maya?
Sorry I took a long time to respond. I needed some time to reflect on this before responding and I slipped my mind.
What I hypothesize is this: A cuckquean (you or Maya) derives immense pleasure in sexual indulgence of her partner (your husband or I, respectively). I think you and I are in agreement here.
In my case, sexually I am a giver (the active one) and I like my women to be receivers. The more passive they are, the better. To the extent that I can’t even enjoy a blowjob. Worst thing a woman an do is for her to reciprocate what I do to her. I just like to to lie down, relax and let go. I am happiest when she gets a blackout. I almost never reach my orgasm with other women because I am always in control, at some level.
Given that, the only way Maya is going to derive her sexual pleasure is if she connects with the women underneath me. Because, the woman underneath me with her eyes rolled into her sockets is the only one who has visible signs of sexual excitement.
I am sure it is very different with your husband. I am willing to take a bet that he is the one who lets go and enjoy. He is the only who has his eyes rolling into the sockets. Or something like that. In which case, it is very easy for you to connect with his pleasures, as against having to go through a proxy.like Maya does.
Does this make sense?
Hey Dex! The funny thing is, my name is Maya as well. Spelled the same and everything :) any who, I’ve had this fantasy about my man as long as I can remember. I have never acted out on it but have talked to him for the last 3 years about this fantasy. He wants to try it if I promit it, but every time I think he’s turned on I become furious. I may walk away and we fight. But then, the next day. I masturbate and think of him being turned on by another woman the night before. From porn, or just a picture I show him. Any kind of reaction I get wet and wanna rub myself. We went to the strip club for the first time together a couple days ago. He told me he was horny and was hard and I flipped. We left straight after he said those words. The next day, we fucked and fucked and fucked and fucked. I was so turned on I have been thinking about this none stop for the past days! I love him being turned on. I guess my question is, how does maya deal with the feeling of jealousy? I just feel so disrespected I get so upset and freak. But a little but later I’m horny out of my mind and want to do it over again! But this time not freak. I’m just scared. Do you guys think that it is just not for me? Its the only thing that gets me going now is thinking of his pleasure when he jacks off, or fantisises about another woman or sees them and gets hot! HELP DEX AND MAYA!!
Hello Maya, thanks for writing.
This is Dex. I’m going to give my perspective first. And then let me see if I can get Maya’s perspective in. Maya knows this blog exists, but she hadn’t seen it till now! I requested her to stay away because much of what I write here is pretty amorphous in my mind and I didn’t want it to be polarized by her looking over my shoulder. She is a sweetheart and she understands.
But her reading your question, and my reading her response, is going to be a learning experience for both of us. So, I’m going to ask her to respond to you when she finds some time. For now, my perspective.
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In so many ways, My Maya is similar to you. You both could be soul sisters :)
For a long time, years, I completely shut off her fantasy as I felt that it would amount to exploiting her weakness. Only a couple of years ago, I realized my folly: I was actually telling that I knew better!
If watching her husband excites her, who am I to doubt it or question it? Isn’t it same as, say, questioning that gay people can get attracted to same sex partners? Isn’t it same as telling her that she can’t know what is right for her, but I can?
That thought sobered me and I allowed myself to indulge myself. Just once. And then all hell broke lose :)
It is a complex story and it involves very many twists and turns. But the simple version is this: I don’t feel confident (that she will be OK with it) anymore! As a result, both our lives are poorer than it has to be. She is not getting to live the life that would make her insane in a good way (I am sure you know what do I mean by that). I live in the frustration of a blind man who was given sight for a brief time, only for it to be taken away.
If you dig that simple story a little deeper, you will find some interesting details:
– I haven’t stopped completely. Though, I have slowed down substantially. I don’t go actively looking for trysts anymore. When something falls in my lap, I take it.
– At least where I live, it takes a lots of efforts and time to find a suitable woman (I am bit of a sapiosexual), cultivate her and get her to participate in a weird situation (have sex while the wife is watching). If the wife can’t trust you implicitly that you aren’t going to elope with the woman, it can get horribly painful to the husband every time she has her PMS.
– Coupled with my misguided moralistic internal-dialog implanted by my feminist mother (fucking women out of their freaking mind somehow amounts to hurting/abusing them) and the amount of time and efforts I put into each encounters (anything less than a weekend long sex fest is not good enough to fry my brains), there is not enough motivation to do this more often.
But that is only my side of the story. I gave it to you first because you will have a perspective you can’t have otherwise. Now, this is what the story looks to my Maya. Probably:
– I get too involved with other women that it scares her
– The fact that I find it difficult to reach my sexual peak when she is watching makes her feel like an outsider
– Maya and I don’t have sex as often as other couples have. Even when we do, it is not as intense as the weekend long sex fest I mentioned earlier
It is only understandable that she is uncomfortable with enacting her fantasies.
These are the things that I can possibly do to make things better for her:
– Act in a way that she knows deep down, at the cellular level perhaps, she means so much to me. That not having her in my life would probably drive me insane (I used to be readily prone to depression before she came into my life). Given that I have difficulties in expressing my emotions, and she has difficulties in understanding what is unsaid, we still have some gap to bridge here.
– Make time to have mind numbing sex with her. I guess I am simply being too lazy to do this.
– Treat the other women as a piece of fuck meat. Or adult toys. Which is something that I have to learn, but have no intention to.
The jealousy you feel, I guess, is a product of your insecurity. To vanquish it, both of you will have to put in some efforts. He should be more expressive of the emotional connect he has with you, In the same time, he should maintain as little emotional connect with other women.
From your part, you should allow him a little bit of latitude. Except when you are paying for the sex, it is impossible to get quality women into the bed if they don’t have emotional connect with the guy. More so, when the guy is married. Even more so, if the guy’s wife likes to watch, at least once in a while. Plus, you have no alternative to this, just take the plunge, hoping that he has enough sense in his head to protect you and preserve the relationship you have as if it is the best thing that has ever happened to him. Because, believe me, it is.
And you know what, if you take the plunge, he will only become closer to you with every passing day. Not farther. With every new tryst, other women will become less and less significant to him as they eventually become interchangeable. More importantly, this is important for you to realize, the bond between you will continue to grow stronger. Believe me, it will become stronger than you have ever imagined possible. I’ve seen several cuckold couples going though this, including in our own case. It never ever fails. Consensual cuckoldry always make the spouses come closer. Incredibly closer.
Now, what do I think will happen if you don’t take the plunge?
You will continue to feel jealousy and sexual excitement together. Very soon, you will end up eroticizing jealousy. If you look around the net, it is called the cuckold angst. I think it is a kind of masochism, getting sexual pleasure out of pain. But you will never reach the peaks of sexual pleasure that you can reach when you decide to trust him completely and just let go.
From his part, he will end up associating his sexual excitement with your fight.
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That was long! Way long. Hope that helps.
Thank you so much for your reply Dex! I’ve been researching cuckqueans and can never find as much information. I think you are definitely right about everything you have told me.
I would also love to hear from Maya whenever she is available. I appreciate you letting her reply to me if she has time.
I think you are also right about it eroticizing jealousy. I think its already starting to happen in a weird way when I think about it. And that’s not good at all. I also understand in someway, he will have to have some kind of emotional connection to the other woman. In a way, that excites me, but then, (again) I just get so scared to let him just go! I have a lot of think to do I guess… :( it definitely comes from my insicutirys.
When you said something on the terms of you not expressing enough and her not understanding what hasnt been said is exactly what we go threw. He is definitely working on it. We read this together , and we both laughed at that part knowing that’s one of our issues.
So , I just had a couple more things to ask if you could maybe help me with them as well.
Pretty much after we read this, I busted out into tears. Only because I am just terrified hell like other woman better and not want me anymore.. At all.. He held me and said everything you pretty much explained. As I’m his only one his heart belongs too. That he cannot live his life without me etc.. (He too was in a depression when we first met. And I got him out of it. He’s never been so happy) half of me wants this so bad… And the other half is so terrified of losing him…
I guess what I am trying to ask is, where do we start? Does he just go out and look?
(I just want to try to let go and take the plundge. Sorry for me expressing all my feelings before this question)
Thank you so much Dex! You are truly about to change my life forever, and I know in some way , it’ll be the best life we both can live.
I can’t explain how much I want to reach out and hold you tight right at this moment. Not in a sexual way. But like I would hold a dear friend in distress, a dear friend who is scared shitless, or a dear friend who is crying out of joy.
As if it weren’t enough that I already think that you and my Maya are soul sisters, now you pile up that you are married to my doppelganger of sort! This is going to become complicated way more complicated. Good that you live in other part of the world from you :-)
Now, to answer your question: Swingers’ Clubs!
That would give you a safe atmosphere to explore your fantasy. No courtship, no lunches and dinners, no drama, no bull shit. You just get in, meet someone woman who has the guts to say “I want to get fucked silly” and simply get on with it. Then get back with ear-to-ear grin plastered on both your faces.
Of course, I am over simplifying this. But I think that is the path with least complications. If you can swing (I don’t see why not), so much better.
There is another advantage with the swingers that you probably won’t hear anywhere else. As much as I have seen, vast majority of men are cuckolds of varying degree! If your husband Mr Maya can send a woman over the edge, you guys will have a constant stream of supply.
Hooking up with experienced hotwives can be the best thing for you Maya. They usually know how to keep emotional baggage under the carpet, and show little dependence emotional dependence on Mr Maya. The more intelligent the woman is, the better she usually is at keeping her priorities right, even in the face of intense emotions.
There is something more: If he is gonna send these women over the edge, believe me, he is going to warp their Universe. How much ever intelligent, or slut, the woman may be. Your best defense against these women doing something stupid is not stopping him from indulging them. That will frustrate both you and him. Your best strategy is, this is counter intuitive, is to be their friend.
Default state of human relation is enemy. Everyone is enemy unless proven otherwise. This is relic of our evolutionary load. If you don’t prove to the other woman that you are her friend, she is going to consider you her enemy. It is easy to do spiteful things to your enemy. Like stealing her husband.
Keeping the women at close proximity has another advantage. You have a good handle of what is developing. Information is power. Remain close enough to ensure that you get whatever information that is salient for you.
Of course, there will always be one night stands. You don’t have to sweat much about becoming their friends. In a way, they are just use and throw.
Before i close this topic: Will he be agreeable to it? This is for him: Mate, I have found some of the highest quality women in the swinging community. Finding such high quality outside swinging community is usually a multi year project of prospecting and pipeline building. At least for me, swinging has one additional advantage. I can’t go to bed with cheaters and in a country where most people are married for life, the only way I am going to find middle aged women (they are lot smarter and stabler than the younger ones) who are honest is to go to the swinging community.
And for both of you: Don’t ever hide things from each other. When you bring a third person into your relationship they are going to want some information to be not shared between spouses. Information gap causes a rift that builds quickly. And don’t lie to each other. It’s worse than hiding. If you just take care of this last requirement, you will come out of this alright.
Thank you for replying Dex! Truly!
And trust me, I would give anything for a hug from someone that understands this.
This is just so scary, but I am so excited at the same time. My stomach is just in knots thinking about it, but in sure I’ll love it when it all happens.
Thank you so much for making this page.
Without it, I wouldn’t have known what I thought was wrong with me
(I hope these feelings are normal at least )
I don’t know if it’d be weird to ask this, but I’m gonna shoot for it .
Would I be able to email you directly at all? Just in case I have any questions or you have any advice you can tell me? If you’d like to keep it strictly to this page, I completely understand :)
To be honest, I finally don’t feel confused about these feelings. Ever since I found out I must be a cuckquean I haven’t felt as confused… I’m not sure how to explain it. Its just like a apart of me that was finally found. Thanks again Dex. If its OK with you, I hope we can keep in touch.
-Maya
P.s.(You can call Mr Maya , Joe BTW, and he thanks you for all the advice)
– Sent you an email.
– But a conversation here, out in the open, will benefit many people in similar situation, for years to come
– Yesterday, my Maya got to read the post and its responses for the first time. After reading it, she was quiet or some time and then kissed me tenderly on the cheek.
– She is going to write back to you in a short while. She certainly has a few things to add that are beyond me
– Hi Joe
Dex
From what I have read it seems that it is usually the male partner that wants to initiate a cuckold relationship for his wife to enjoy. However the female partner will often be reluctant and the male will have to persist in his urging her to take on another man as a sex partner for their, the married couples, pleasure.
My question is, why is the female so reluctant?
It seems to me that many married women are reluctant to engage another man for sex with their husbands knowledge and full approval. Where as they would be willing to engage another man for an extramarital affair without the knowledge or approval of their husband.
I am speaking from personal experience as well as researching the cuckold phenomenon.
art
Art,
I’m responding to your next post first: I think women are programmed to cheat.
If men are programmed to fuck everything on their sight, who are they fucking? Their fists?! I think not. I think all women are capable of cheating, given the right circumstances. Generally speaking, I have seen that women often prefer to take smaller risks. I think if she perceives the risk of cheating is tiny, she will cheat. In a world where women don’t cheat, you don’t need capital punishment for adulteresses, do we?
Every woman I know in real life have cheated to one degree or another. Degree, I think, is just a matter of opportunity.
Women cheat and then use every trick in the book to hide their tracks. May be because we have a strong social stigma against libidinous women. Or may be because covering the tracks is a genetically encoded trait. May be both.
I have come to the conclusion, out of what I see in real life, that if you have reasons to suspect a woman of cheating, she most probably is. Of course, that assumes that you are not a raving paranoid and that you are capable to thinking with a clear head, even in the worst of your times.
Now, on to the question you have asked in this post: Why is a woman reluctant to cuckold a willing husband?
There can be a long laundry list full of reasons for that. Starting from wanting to reinforce her oh-I-am-so-chaste image she would have tried had to cultivate during the past cheating incident. Why is not important. What is important is to how to make her open. Figuratively and literally.
The reason she is reluctant is unimportant because you can get her to do what you want, regardless of the reason she is shut tight. After all, some guy managed to do it, isn’t it? You can too. Most certainly. After all, you have much better access to her than he did.
Write here what your situation is, preferably as a new comment (if you respond to this, I may not get an allert) and let’s see if we can put our heads together and come up with something.
Wish you good luck.
A little more info on my personal situation.
My wife would express distain for any hint I made about her having sex with another man. But I have very good reason to believe she had affairs with other men that she would deny.
While I addressed my previous question to Dex, we may all be interested in any ones thoughts. Especially someone who has experienced a similar situation.
Art
I’m in complete disagreement with your theory. First, 99% of cuckolding is a fantasy, except poast 40 yoa who are too ugly to feel threatened by libertinage. It is not a real world situation. Those who fantasize baout cuckolds have a very poor connection with their gf/wives, and an intense sense of insecurity about themselves as providors, protectors, etc. They lack intimacy with their gf/wife and attempt to compensate it via a false sexual intimacy.
Worst yet, most cuckolds are on their way to becoming outright faggots, obsessed with sucking cock. So its a mental derrangement syndrome amongst heterosexuals who have a very difficult time dealing with monogamous relationships, and being as obsessed with cock as gay men, are in fact on their way to becoming self-hating trannys.
Your ideas completely misundertand what is going on.
HappyWanky, this is so fucked up in mental clarity man that I can’t even begin to respond
What in the world? Let’s just say if you aren’t one, you have no clue why. I enjoy my husband having Sex with other women and watching. His pleasure is my pleasure. We have w lot of love and trust in each other. It can only happen because I am very secure within myself and our relationship. He never brought it up, it was my idea. Truth be told it took him a long time to become ok with even trying it because he was afraid it would hurt me. I suspect it is the same with cuckholds and their wives.
Hi.. This is a wonderful article and exactly how I feel. I am an Indian as well. My girlfriend and I have been together for 7 years now. She is currently abroad and we have been having a long distance relationship for a couple of years. She is really attractive and gets hit on quite often. But since I ve shared my fantasy, she tried it once but not all the way. She used to sext with guys before we got together. Now our sex life (however infrequent in the recent past) is fantastic. I am average size but I know what I am doing. I have been obsessed with the cuckolding fantasy but she says she is happy with me and doesn’t even consider it. The one time she tried it was with a crush of here’s n she really enjoyed it. She never initiates any sexual subject or even crave fr sex like I do ( only with her). I sent her ur blog, and she read it though she avoids talking about it. Being in a foreign country obviously gives her ample opportunity to fulfill my fantasy. I would want some advice to make it work. It’s been affecting my life intensely.
What kind of advice?
Interesting article. I would have thought that I am a cuckqueen, except that what other people describe in their blogs doesn’t seem to fit me. I love my husband having sex with other women, because his pleasure is my pleasure. It . It greatly turns me on. However, I’ve seen cuckqueen as submissive and I am not. Not at all. He only does whom and what I choose, and only in my presence. If I at all felt humiliated or disrespected, it would immediately come to an end. The other woman’s pleasure isn’t my goal. His and mine is. Of course, in order for us both to be pleased she also must be pleasured, but that’s not our focus. Each other’s pleasure is. Also, I’m bisexual and my husband loves to watch me with women. The best time is had if both of us can have sex with the woman at the same time. So, idk what that makes us (as far as a title is concerned), but maybe it’s not really a cuckqueen? Idk? What it is, is utter pleasure.
//What it is, is utter pleasure//
You put it so well! :)
//His pleasure is my pleasure…I’m not [a submissive]…The other woman’s pleasure isn’t my goal. His and mine is//
I’ve seen this dynamic in cuckqueaning relationships where the woman is dominant by nature. That always leaves me wondering if a cuckqueaning relation exist within a FLR (Female Led Relationship).
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